it is not just their religion but a political movement. you cannot deal with a muslim as an apostite because they will make any treaty and it is ok for them to break their word to turn around and kill the apostate. host: is there any truth in that when dealing with muslim nations, either dealing with each other or other countries? guest: what's really important here is that we need to talk about the arab springer. this was a fundamental moment of the past few years in which we saw this massive push in this really indigenous push within egypt, tunisia, and other democratic governments. some of those movements have had potentially scary things. there are some islamic fundamentalist parties that we do not have great relationships with and they understand that can be confusing thing. what obama has tried to do and in his famous speech in cairo is that he wants to deal with these countries and talk to the electorate. now we have an entirely different landscape, but in egypt, libya, and tunisia. relationship with these countries, these are count